beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. I nominate the presence and toaa for this. • 1 year ago. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. No it is not. . It is implied he is God. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. Both are in character. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). ". Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. 9. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. Beyonder: Sonuva. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. u/nullfather can attest to that. and it can be said so is spectre. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. Goku dying of old age is a valid win condition for Darwin or vice versa if that can happen. Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. 5 T. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. It is as Cosmic Reign says. The Presence decided to wage war with TOAA and gathered an army to fight TOAA TOAA the Marvel god! not the celestial These are the members of the army: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Saints of Killers with. 2. Manhattan's league. They are god of their own comics. You cannot write a more powerful character than him without transforming from a character to a plot device. 2. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe. 12 years ago. so the problem is that, Oblivion kinda has an upgrade in ranks during the decades, in the past Oblivion was kinda in the same rank that Eternity, Infinite and lady death, but in more modern comics, is hinted that he is way above that, The Chaos King that was revealed to be just a avatar of oblivion, basically a strand of oblivion hair, was above Eternity, The Griever that was destroying the. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. Forum Posts. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. Requiring no energies to sustain him as Galactus does, Oblivion can choose not to be affected by the mortal plane if he doesn't want to be, a feat that few - including Galactus - cannot claim. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Kitsunw. #3 jwwprod. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. LT has always been 2nd to TOAA he's the sole judge of the multiverse and right hand man or thing of TOAA Beyonder would lose. @TheLegendary32 said:. ago. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. As he had the ability to stop the Beyonder(s) should he have chosen. SCP 3812. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. Nhiều Fan cho rằng One Above All (TOAA) là sở hữu quyền năng tuyệt đối và đứng đầu Đa vũ trụ và hơn hẳn Beyonder. Beyonder is nigh omnipotent so he wins. So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. In general as the Supreme Beings. 14 years ago. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. Retconed Beyonder. Almighty and TOAA are essentially the same thing so there's really no debate. Everything that takes place is his dreams. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . 3. Juntai. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Words that describe the idea that Beyonder is equal to TOAA. PR Beyonder Stomps. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Dormammu said: Beyonder outclasses her heavily, Featherine would be a better match. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. 2. Yeah All Mighty Wins. GER is well above the league of the Infinity Gauntlet. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . 3. Spiderman Cosmic Comic 8. I really can't be asked to go. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay. Same with Beyonder and TOAA. TOAA was the only true Omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being and would. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. and it can be said so is spectre. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. Beyonder trivially. The only. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. No one is that powerful. ago. 1. Valheim Genshin Impact Minecraft Pokimane Halo Infinite Call of Duty: Warzone Path of Exile Hollow Knight: Silksong Escape from Tarkov Watch Dogs: Legion. 5 years ago. And such a thing as "above omnipotence" doesn't exist. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. PR Beyonder, TOAA. Team The Daughter Of Mortis - vs - Team Beyonder #. Hykuu. Probably thanos as he seemed to. If Pre-Recton Beyonder and TOAA ever faught, it would end in a stalemate. s. Saying that Beyonder is stronger than TOAA is literally trying to say that Beyonder is above omnipotence. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. Aug 10, 2018 #25 Well beyonder is just fiction to oblivion. Featherine. Khael. He even has some degree of control over it (like when he merged with Vulcan as a being of pure energy to give Vulcan the power he needed). Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. No. Scp 3812 vs Anos vs Featherine vs Hajun vs Yogiri vs Golden Wondie vs Superboy Prime vs pre retcon Beyonder vs Sotha Sil. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. We help you decide what wheel is right you. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. PR Beyonder was TOAA for marvels universe before. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. His. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. . so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. beyonder Yep, lol. Neither of. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Created by Loony_Toony. Preparation. 8 C. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Follow 77. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. #1 KingOfAsh. Thanos w HOTU and PR BeyonderVSLTWhite Crown of PhoenixEternityZero-Hour ParallaxObvilianDeathAdam Warlock w IGAbraxasGalactus with the Ultimate NuffiThe PM is basically a rip off of what classic Beyonder was. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. -Everything in bleach. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. 4. The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. #28 ovy7. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). Or demonbane becoming a part of YA. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Even if it logically and rationally. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. s. he is immensely powerful since he can wipe out anyone easily but still below TOAA. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Yasin Rap said: The one above all is not included, but pre-retcon Beyonder & the whole Beyonder race is. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. R5, same idea as R4. So, I have TOAA (plot device) above the PR Beyonder (character). "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. Team Michael: Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy, Kismet, Rama Kushna, COIE Anti Monitor and Krona. I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. Marvel is a pretty strong verse, but is there anyone who can beat it? Even with a VS as wide ranging as battling the whole Marvel-verse, it still helps to get some specifics nailed down in the OP. Who) vs the one above all (marvel) Battle takes place in the black void of absolute nothingness between the glory’s dimensional space (which is infinite I know just for the sake of painting the picture) and the marvel Omniverse. - Funny thing is they also showed a scan of being Omnipotent. 2. #1 Edited By Nighthunter. Pre-retcon Beyonder. on the other hand Lucifer said to be half of the presence power so infinity divide by 2= infinite. That being said TOAA indeed seems to be the sovereign of Marvel. Neutral TOAA, is a dubious omnipotent being, it just depends on the will of the writers. And yeah he stomps. Beyonder Doom 14. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. ". the spectre with the presence backing. Mxy on the other hand erased every universe that ever existed and seemed to be also aware of a author, and Beyonder was described as a god in his own universe, essentially TOAA. 4 years ago. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. In his few appearances, he took the appearance of Jack Kirby. Minor nitpick. Pre Beyonder Had the power of the authors and could do literally anything he wanted. TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The End. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. Juntai. Jan 29, 2017. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. 2. and he isn't omniscience. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. TOAA have failed. 8 years ago. INB4 LOCK. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. . 6th. The Divine Order is where LT gets it's powers from. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Follow 15315. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. -5. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Two deities would acknowledge each other and move on. Ok, this is what I thought. show 6 replies. beyonder Yep, lol. Beyonder is too big for the multiverse, his very presence alters the entire multiverse a great deal, without him even knowing it - Scan 1 and Scan 2The One-Above-All was created by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo and first appeared in Fantastic Four #511. At least, not anymore. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. This could also be used as. 21 48 48 comments Best material-world • 2 yr. She-hulk and GoS Loki can both negate/resist the affect of Plot Manipulation user, she-hulk forced her writer to rewrite her story and GoS Loki was able. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. Ima go with byonder. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. ago. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. s. the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. 3. Sppople. We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. TOAA mops the floor with these two. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. The more powerful Thanos becomes, CA Superman will surpass it. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. He is True Omnipotent inside. 2. Bob, Agent of Hydra vs TOAA. If this. 115 26. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. Look stuff up for it. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. Forum Posts. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. s. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Forum Posts. Scenario: Through the miracle of TOAA, Living Tribunal summoned the most powerful army in the existence of Marvel to fight the entire race of Beyonders outside Marvel-verse. However, based on what he's acknowledged for, Empty Hand solos arguably all of Marvel, bar TOAA. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. Here is the NEW Presence vs TOAA thread. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. Forum Posts. . Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. He's above Dr. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. 11 years agoR1: TOAA Celestial vs Full Powered Entity R2: WPOTC vs Full Powered Entity R3: Galactus vs Full Powered Entity Bonus: All 3 of them at maximum power vs Full Powered Entity with the help of a Beyonder. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. Untill than this is a stomp and should be closed due to their current levels on the wiki. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. Beyonder is a supreme being from another universe, he is equal to TOAA. Max Deen. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. She/Her. . The power of love is said to be a threat. Team Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Team Beyonder #. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. ago. Red Mist vs Galactus. The supreme maker does indeed scale above all possibilities, but i'm not sure that would beat toaa, but if you wank that hyperspace scan TSM has more of a chance against him. The Beyonder here, is referring to his pre-nerf version from Secret Wars II, since he got nerfed by Marvel writers and artists afterwards. Its highly subjective since Superman is kind of featless. So in actuality: Beyonder = PM. 56 results. TOAA is above all. They’re both fairly obvious picks. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Beyonder was at TOAA level pre-retcon. I build with many hands. . Kushedwack. Writers later on depowered The Beyonder, which resulted with other versions. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. #33 Edited By The_Scourge. Wiki Points. Neutral Close. That said, TOAA and The Presence are both omnipotent, so neither one of them can actually defeat the other, but at the same time they can both defeat the other, but the other can undo the other, while the other undoes the other's undoing just before the other defeats the other by removing the other except the other removes the other while. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. And although they themselves are Drawings to us (God appeared on panel in FF#511) EVERYTHING else in Marvel is Drawings to them, from Thanos/THOTI to Aunt May. 3 years ago. So this battle is TOAA vs. s. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know,. No prep for either. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. same gods in the marvel verse would effortlessly stomp kaguya. #. That being said, I'm fairly certain that Thanos and the Beyonder take this. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy. 1. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. In almost every category – barring the Pre-Retconned Beyonder, where he was the one envisioned to be the prime deity of Marvel Comics – TOAA trumps the Beyonder, and it’s not even close. Viners voted on it. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. it would be mostly stalemate. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. Pre Nemesis she was the Infinity Being who really was the original TOAA if you really want to get technical. Vision House Of Ideas 11. Because I always thought we put the Presence on the level of TOAA, the supreme being from the Marvel Multiverse, but that Soul-Glo Jumpsuit Donny Osmond was above. 1. Hands down. And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. 0. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Forum Posts. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. HotU Thanos should win based on actual feats. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. Beyonder - Millions of times as powerful as the Multiverse combined, but almost dies from being hit by The Phoenix Force and the sum of the Multiverse, proving his base self can't sustain that. It hardly even implies that the last frontier is TOAA while basically directly saying that there are beings stronger than TOAA, And when confronted they will say ‘It obviously means rl, Source: Trust me Bro’ when the only reason it could mean that is because it mentions Loki and Beyonder wanting to go to the Real World. beyonder Yep, lol. Lordobi said: "Thanos with the gauntlet is #1, Hell anyone with the Gaunlet is #1, Y'all are sleeping on Odin. HOTU is directly powered by TOAA (starlin/writer). 7K subscribers Join Subscribe 3K. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Toaa 2. Darwin is able to limitlessly adapt to survive certain death situations. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. He’s supposed to be the number 2 behind. . They can literally do whatever they want. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. I see him as toaa's equal. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. The Heart of the Universe makes this rather one sided. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. This topic is locked from further discussion. Both have the same powers. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). Beyonder and TOAA can be equals in tier but completely different in power one is in awhile larger scale of exsistence than the other 1 sees his exsistence as laughable. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. Advertisement Coins. s. #7. In Character until it's necessary to KO each other in a one vs one battle for very bored looking TOAA want some entertainment battles Round 1. Forum Posts. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. 0. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. You. along with. 0. Beyonder is beyond the universe. This Beyonder had little respect for mortals and treated everything like a plaything. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. Wiki Points. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. 2. Pre-retcon Beyonder was insanely overpowered, and even though subsequent balance adjustments severely nerfed his powers, he still kept his insane reality-altering incalculable strength and much of his superhuman physique. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. Beyonder 16. There are two camps or the Presence vs TOAA fight. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. @hyperbeing said:.